Bellevue >Oom Yung Doe
I have trained since 3rd grade. I tried this form for 5 years in order to give it a chance. While the workouts were intense, the instructors were militant, abusive and intimidating. The "open palm" strike they teach alleges to be able to travel through several people who are lined up (chest to back in a line). Nobody, not even the national instructor, was able to prove this to me; other people would fall out of the line as if they had been punched directly. When they put me in this line, I felt nothing other than what you would expect to feel when the front person in line was hit: I felt a slight bump. Nothing that would ever knock me out of the line. The national instructor became furious and asked if I'd like to be in the front of the line. Of course, I declined because even if their martial arts are weak compared to any real world system, getting hit by these guys directly does not feel good.
Avoid this form. It is nonsense. Try anything different.
Since this individual says they trained in the form and not in this school, I am guessing that they did not train in this school, but somewhere else, possibly many years ago and in a different part of the country. Oom Yung Doe and other related styles have been taught in this country for 40 years under many different conditions, but I have never heard anyone refer to the instructors at Bellevue Oom Yung Doe as militant or abusive. Five years is a long time to try out a style if you believe it has no real benefit. As far as the palm strike, come in if you would like to learn it or feel it. It does not feel good, though when using it in self-defense I would not recommend asking your attackers to stand in a line front to back. If you are curious about what we teach, try a lesson. If you feel that the instructors are militant or abusive or that you feel what you are being taught is not real, then don't continue and certainly don't waste five years trying to figure it out.
Great Instructors. This school has great dedicated instructors. Very attentive and a lot of one-on-one development included in the programs. The kids classes are great for my son, then my class is right after, so scheduling is great. A lot of happy parents and the students rave about the level of zen-style training this school teaches. I have been a student here almost two years and very happy with the quality of instruction at this school.
An incredible opportunity. I started training 5 years ago. During the first year I put a good deal of time looking into the commentary, the trial, and all of the issues that this school is said to have. In the process of doing so I asked a lot of questions. It seems as though there were some people whose hearts have been broken, and they are angry. I got strong answers, but I still questioned beyond those answers. More importantly that regardless of my questioning I still trained. During those first two years up to my first degree I transformed, mentally and physically, no different than what you read in the positive comments. In this time of transformation I learned to trust myself, I learned to be strong for myself, I learned that I had the ability to change the things in my life that I did not like, and more over I learned that when I finally decided to make changes that I could look at the process as a challenge and follow through. Now, I am independent in my thinking, I have strong and healthy relationships, and I continually find ways to challenge myself both at Oom Yung Doe and through out my life. The best thing that I did and still do is train. I believe that true freedom exists in the person that knows themselves, and that can be achieved through training at this school. I would urge anyone to at least try.
Best in the Northwest.
I have travelled in the Orient extensively, and I have not come across another martial arts school that compares to the level of martial arts being taught in Asia. Taken out of context, it may seem odd to many in our country that students of the martial arts in Asia dedicate their entire life to their art. However, if you have spent time in Asia, you may have seen the unwavering focus, dedication, and determination (much more than just physical martial arts that are common in North America) that results from these true martial arts.
If you have not experienced traditional martial arts, you will find the closest thing to it is the School of Oom Yung Doe. It is not a sport as much as it is about spending time developing and defining your own character--something that others will do for you if you do not do it for yourself.
As a student of life and health, I highly recommend this school (if you are looking for a TRADITIONAL martial art).
The Fraud continues.
Wonder how attendance is in the Cali school now? The reporters should interview those folks still showing up for classes. Those are the folks who make no sense at all to me.
I don't care how good your back feels, go look at what your lesson money did to Vivien and over a thousand others. Is it really worth it? Can't you folks
find a decent GYM instead?
Look up the newest case of alledged fraud, fresh off the press on Google April 19TH Type Oom Yung Doe cult Vivien.
Former Chung Moo Doe.
I am an ex student from about 15 yrs ago from Chung Moo Doe. The benefits from the physical and mental training still follow me. I only left due to a move across country and keep hoping a school will open in my city. I am concerned about the tax evasion charges and follow the negative posts. I can say I regularly said no to training time I could not spend, said no to 90 % of their healing suggestions and diet, in general attended no extra seminars or events, and was overinvolved at church so not affected by the spiritual aspect, just integrated it. But I believe the experiences of those who had a negative experience. I cautiously would re engage and monitor to be sure they cleaned up their act.
As to the claims- I have searched many martial arts schools for similar training and sparred with the students- the techniques I learned are hands down effective. I have been personally fended off a few attacks on the street and my training was effective as a woman. I now work out in a boxing gym as that has been the closest intensity I can find, but I at 47 out last many 20 yr olds and am faster, stronger, and have more endurance because of the mental training. I am a former last pick in gym class person growing up. I used to have asthma, chronic pains, but my health was great during training. Because they push, many people found their health getting better. But they also coordinated with their doctors and were encouraged to do so. My instructor yelled like a drill sargent and did monthly push for money and recruitment, but no was accepted and I advanced in rank.
They also really did adjust the training for those with injuries or older bodies.
SO- I know the advanced training especially was cult like back then. But Eastern martial arts can be that way in the home countries. Just here, we need a life outside martial arts. Cannot speak to present. I heard some schools are cleaned up, some not. All I know is I miss the training and suggest you learn when to say no.
Watch for the red flags mentioned, but it trully was my best martial arts experience.
Ex-convicts want your money.
My experience with this school is that this McDojo teaches a frighteningly un-useful form of martial arts. Plus, the founder of the school, and many of the directing "National Instructors," are real ex-convicts. That isn't my opinion; go to wikipedia where you can read Kim's arrest warrant and the criminal docket for USA vs. Kim et al. They conspired to defraud the US out of almost $2 million dollars. Don't imagine they won't try to do the same to you!
The focus of the "training" is to separate you from your money while giving you plenty of "busy work" martial arts to keep you occupied. Rank is essentially based on how much you pay and on your perceived loyalty. I will not be going back.
Oom Yung Doe. My son attends this school and loves it. I guess for kids it may be a great place to learn basic martial art movements, plus their physical exercise routine is challenging and makes my son stronger. I would suggest more stretching though.
Challenging, but also a lot of fun. I started training after having two kids. I felt old and worn out. I can't say I would have started had it not been for recommendations, but I am so glad I did. I feel 10 years younger and I am still improving. It is very challenging, but also a lot of fun. I never thought I would like practicing with weapons, but they are the most fun. The instructors care so much for all the students, it is very specific for everyone's individual needs. I see there are some negative reviews, but I think everybody should try it out themselves.
Very Little Knowledge and False Claims.
Yes, they claim to teach 8 martial art styles, but this is false advertising. The truth is, they have bits and pieces of some of those styles, that were copied from other masters. The leader, "Grandmaster" Kim, does not have the knowledge in those styles that he claims. I know this because I was an instructor in their organization for many years, and I have trained and learned from many people outside of OYD in most of those styles that OYD advertises. Someone who posted a review here said that they did not understand the true depth of the martial arts until he/she trained in OYD, after 7 years of Karate. Well, even though OYD has very little knowledge, there are many out there who have even less, and that is most likely where the person trained.
Another person's post - about "reversing and curing" ailments such as Parkinson's, diabetes and fibromyalgia...that is TOTALLY FALSE! Yes...many kinds of exercise will help your body deal with ailments better, but there is ABSOLUTELY NO EVIDENCE that OYD has ever "reversed or cured" those specific diseases. Injuries? Yes...
The other thing - they charge way too much money for what they claim to teach. But they often tell you anything to get more money out of you, by attending more seminars and learning more "higher-level" movements. Many of us that left are learning from people with much higher skill, that charge only a fraction of what OYD charges, and can verify their knowledge through a credible lineage. OYD cannot do this - they cannot admit or prove where they "learned" their knowledge, and their training on the whole is actually very deficient of correct martial principles.
Many times when someone quits or is kicked out of an organization, they are bitter and this only increases with time as they rationalize their exit. The results of the training are what matter. I have never seen another school that can demonstrate the level of ability that is regularly achieved by Oom Yung Doe students and instructors. I have never seen a school that can train people from so many backgrounds and physical conditions and consistently improve their condition dramatically. Many of the people that come to me from other styles have severe injuries because of their training in these styles. I have also never seen a school in this country where the intsructors move better after 20-30 years practice. In most schools in this country the intructors are too beat up from incorrect practice to really move anymore. That is why they never demonstrate or have photos up that can show them doing anything. Look around the internet and you will see or come in and see for yourself.
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